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entre le vendredi et le lundi les grecs vont vider les distributeurs
bank pâques run ? à défaut de gros oeufs
le 9 avril Athènes doit rembourser 460 milliond d'Euros, et Tsipras demande à pouvoir repousser cette échéance
les caisses sont vides et les grecs de plus en plus exaspérés
il est minuit moins cinq à Athènes 8-)


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Pour rappel, Paques chez les grecs (orthodoxes), c'est la semaine prochaine, pas comme chez nous ce week-end.
-En Allemagne, Suisse et dans le monde Anglo saxon (+ en Alsace), c'est férié du vendredi 3 au lundi 6 avril.
-En Grèce, c'est férie du vendredi 10 au lundi 13 avril.


Warren Buffet s'est officiellement prononcé en faveur du Grexit.
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Warren Buffet s'est officiellement prononcé en faveur du Grexit.
Les carottes sont cuites pour eux.

c'est quand la mer se retirera que l'on verra ceux qui se baignaient nus -- :) selon la formule de W .Buffet


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Warren Buffet s'est officiellement prononcé en faveur du Grexit.
Les carottes sont cuites pour eux.


Si tel est le cas c'est que le Grexit est à l'avantage des banksters et à notre détriment, il faut arrêter de s'émoustiller ... :D


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ALERTE Grèce
http://www.les-crises.fr/alerte-grece/
Junker : “Maintenant, il va falloir que Tsipras explique aux grecs qu’il ne remplira pas ses promesses”
http://www.les-crises.fr/junker-mainten ... promesses/


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La BCE continue à prêter des liquidités. Toutes les semaines le plafond remonte... Heureusement que ça ne devait pas servir... enfin comme d'hab.

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(...) La Banque centrale européenne (BCE) a encore relevé mercredi soir de 700 millions d'euros, à 71,8 milliards, le plafond de son financement d'urgence (ELA) des banques grecques, a-t-on appris de source bancaire grecque. (...)


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Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment

'We are a Left-wing government. If we have to choose between a default to the IMF or a default to our own people, it is a no-brainer,' says senior Greek official .

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Greece is drawing up drastic plans to nationalise the country's banking system and introduce a parallel currency to pay bills unless the eurozone takes steps to defuse the simmering crisis and soften its demands.

Sources close to the ruling Syriza party said the government is determined to keep public services running and pay pensions as funds run critically low. It may be forced to take the unprecedented step of missing a payment to the International Monetary Fund next week.

Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9 and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14, unless the eurozone agrees to disburse the next tranche of its interim bail-out deal in time.

“We are a Left-wing government. If we have to choose between a default to the IMF or a default to our own people, it is a no-brainer,” said a senior official.

“We may have to go into a silent arrears process with the IMF. This will cause a furore in the markets and means that the clock will start to tick much faster,” the source told The Telegraph.

Syriza’s radical-Left government would prefer to confine its dispute to EU creditors but the first payments to come due are owed to the IMF. While the party does not wish to trigger a formal IMF default, it increasingly views a slide into pre-default arrears as a necessary escalation in its showdown with Brussels and Frankfurt.

The view in Athens is that the EU creditor powers have yet to grasp that the political landscape has changed dramatically since the election of Syriza in January and that they will have to make real concessions if they wish to prevent a disastrous rupture of monetary union, an outcome they have ruled out repeatedly as unthinkable.

“They want to put us through the ritual of humiliation and force us into sequestration. They are trying to put us in a position where we either have to default to our own people or sign up to a deal that is politically toxic for us. If that is their objective, they will have to do it without us,” the source said.

Going into arrears at the IMF – even for a few days – is an extremely risky strategy. No developed country has ever defaulted to the Bretton Woods institutions. While there would be a grace period of six weeks before the IMF board declared Greece to be in technical default, the process could spin out of control at various stages.

Syriza sources say are they fully aware that a tough line with creditors risks setting off an unstoppable chain-reaction. They insist that they are willing to contemplate the worst rather than abandon their electoral pledges to the Greek people. An emergency fall-back plan is already in the works.

“We will shut down the banks and nationalise them, and then issue IOUs if we have to, and we all know what this means. What we will not do is become a protectorate of the EU,” said one source. It is well understood in Athens such action is tantamount to a return to the drachma, even though Syriza would rather reach an amicable accord within EMU.

Eurozone creditors may be willing to release enough funds to cover Greece’s government costs on April 14, but only if Syriza pays the IMF first. However, trust has already collapsed to the point where key ministers in Greece no longer believe the assurances from Brussels, fearing they may be lured into a trap. The mood has become poisonous.

“They want us to impose capital controls and cause a credit crunch, until the government becomes so unpopular that it falls," said one official.

"They want make an example of us, and demonstrate that no government in the eurozone has a right to have mind of its own. They don’t believe that we will walk away, or that the Greek people will back us, and they are wrong on both counts,” he said.

Syriza is still hoping that German Chancellor Angela Merkel can defuse the crisis, deeming her a “real ally”, but fear that she will be confronted with a fait accompli beyond even her control.

Bank of America warned that a “critical sequence of events could unfold” once Greece misses a payment to the IMF. It would trigger a parallel default to the eurozone bail-out fund (EFSF) under the legal master agreement, and might force the EFSF to cancel its loan packages and demand immediate repayment. This in turn would trigger a default on Greek government bonds issued under the bail-out accord.

The situation is now critical. Even if Greece manages to cobble together enough money to cover the April deadline, it owes the IMF a further €200m on May 1 and €763m on May 12. A Greek official told EMU counterparts at a teleconference on Wednesday that the country has run out of money. "There is no way we can go beyond April 9," the official reportedly said.

The drama comes after the creditors refused to rubber stamp Athens' latest bid to unlock funds, raising objections over Syriza plans to boost union powers in collective bargaining and boost pensions for lower income groups.

Brussels continues to insist on more concrete pledges, despite receiving a 26-page list of reforms on Wednesday. Athens hopes to raise €6.1bn in 2015 by clamping down on fuel smuggling and tax evasion, introducing new levies on luxury goods, and reforming public procurement. It estimated funding needs at €19bn over the coming year, meaning that there will inevitably be fresh tensions over the summer even if there a deal on interim funds until June.

Former European Commission head Jose Manuel Barroso warned Greece that they have a moral obligation to other states, describing the demands for more time and money as "completely unacceptable".

“We should remember that there are poorer countries that are lending money to Greece, so to propose a cut to their debt would be certain to receive a no from their partners," he said.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... yment.html

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Le tableau de remboursement de la Grèce pour les prochaines semaines.
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Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, & Mehreen Khan
02 Apr 2015

'We are a Left-wing government. If we have to choose between a default to the IMF or a default to our own people, it is a no-brainer,' says senior Greek oficial. Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14.

Greece is drawing up drastic plans to nationalise the country's banking system and introduce a parallel currency to pay bills unless the eurozone takes steps to defuse the simmering crisis and soften its demands.

Sources close to the ruling Syriza party said the government is determined to keep public services running and pay pensions as funds run critically low. It may be forced to take the unprecedented step of missing a payment to the International Monetary Fund next week.

Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €458m on April 9 and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14, unless the eurozone agrees to disburse the next tranche of its interim bail-out deal in time.

“We are a Left-wing government. If we have to choose between a default to the IMF or a default to our own people, it is a no-brainer,” said a senior official. “We may have to go into a silent arrears process with the IMF. This will cause a furore in the markets and means that the clock will start to tick much faster,” the source told The Telegraph.

Syriza’s radical-Left government would prefer to confine its dispute to EU creditors but the first payments to come due are owed to the IMF. While the party does not wish to trigger a formal IMF default, it increasingly views a slide into pre-default arrears as a necessary escalation in its showdown with Brussels and Frankfurt.

The view in Athens is that the EU creditor powers have yet to grasp that the political landscape has changed dramatically since the election of Syriza in January and that they will have to make real concessions if they wish to prevent a disastrous rupture of monetary union, an outcome they have ruled out repeatedly as unthinkable.

“They want to put us through the ritual of humiliation and force us into sequestration. They are trying to put us in a position where we either have to default to our own people or sign up to a deal that is politically toxic for us. If that is their objective, they will have to do it without us,” the source said.

Going into arrears at the IMF – even for a few days – is an extremely risky strategy. No developed country has ever defaulted to the Bretton Woods institutions. While there would be a grace period of six weeks before the IMF board declared Greece to be in technical default, the process could spin out of control at various stages.

Syriza sources say are they fully aware that a tough line with creditors risks setting off an unstoppable chain-reaction. They insist that they are willing to contemplate the worst rather than abandon their electoral pledges to the Greek people. An emergency fall-back plan is already in the works.

“We will shut down the banks and nationalise them, and then issue IOUs if we have to, and we all know what this means. What we will not do is become a protectorate of the EU,” said one source. It is well understood in Athens such action is tantamount to a return to the drachma, even though Syriza would rather reach an amicable accord within EMU.

Eurozone creditors may be willing to release enough funds to cover Greece’s government costs on April 14, but only if Syriza pays the IMF first. However, trust has already collapsed to the point where key ministers in Greece no longer believe the assurances from Brussels, fearing they may be lured into a trap. The mood has become poisonous.

“They want us to impose capital controls and cause a credit crunch, until the government becomes so unpopular that it falls," said one official.

"They want make an example of us, and demonstrate that no government in the eurozone has a right to have mind of its own. They don’t believe that we will walk away, or that the Greek people will back us, and they are wrong on both counts,” he said.

Syriza is still hoping that German Chancellor Angela Merkel can defuse the crisis, deeming her a “real ally”, but fear that she will be confronted with a fait accompli beyond even her control.

Bank of America warned that a “critical sequence of events could unfold” once Greece misses a payment to the IMF. It would trigger a parallel default to the eurozone bail-out fund (EFSF) under the legal master agreement, and might force the EFSF to cancel its loan packages and demand immediate repayment. This in turn would trigger a default on Greek government bonds issued under the bail-out accord.

The situation is now critical. Even if Greece manages to cobble together enough money to cover the April deadline, it owes the IMF a further €200m on May 1 and €763m on May 12. A Greek official told EMU counterparts at a teleconference on Wednesday that the country has run out of money. "There is no way we can go beyond April 9," the official reportedly said.

The drama comes after the creditors refused to rubber stamp Athens' latest bid to unlock funds, raising objections over Syriza plans to boost union powers in collective bargaining and boost pensions for lower income groups.

Brussels continues to insist on more concrete pledges, despite receiving a 26-page list of reforms on Wednesday. Athens hopes to raise €6.1bn in 2015 by clamping down on fuel smuggling and tax evasion, introducing new levies on luxury goods, and reforming public procurement. It estimated funding needs at €19bn over the coming year, meaning that there will inevitably be fresh tensions over the summer even if there a deal on interim funds until June.

Former European Commission head Jose Manuel Barroso warned Greece that they have a moral obligation to other states, describing the demands for more time and money as "completely unacceptable".

“We should remember that there are poorer countries that are lending money to Greece, so to propose a cut to their debt would be certain to receive a no from their partners," he said.

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Impressionnant... et parfaitement duplicable en France le cas échéant, vous ne trouvez pas ?

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Grèce : quand le public refuse la solidarité avec le privé

(morceaux choisis)

(...) Comme le relève l’étude (p.50), sur la période 2009-2013, la baisse des salaires moyens a été de 19% dans le secteur privé contre 8% dans le secteur public, l’écart entre les deux secteurs atteignant de 35 jusqu’à 43%. Pour atteindre un tel écart, les raisons évoquées par les auteurs sont multiples :

1/ alors que la législation prévoyait des coupes dans les rémunérations de l’ensemble des administrations et des entreprises publiques, des techniques de contournement ont été mises en place :

- refus des administrations elles-mêmes de mettre en place les coupes budgétaires (désobéissance civile) ;
- compensations : au sein de l’administration d’État, 66.000 agents, initialement assujettis aux coupes salariales, ont vu ces dernières « neutralisées », par des remboursements allant jusqu’à 1.000 euros/mois sous forme de primes individuelles différentielles (sont en jeux les effectifs des ministères des finances, de la culture et de plusieurs opérateurs de l’État) ;
- des promotions ont également été accordées, aboutissant à une augmentation artificielle du GVT positif (pour reprendre une expression française), aboutissant à accroître encore les différences entre agents publics.

2/ la baisse significative des effectifs de fonctionnaires et d’employés publics s’est révélée impossible : alors que quelques années avant 2009, l’embauche de nouveaux fonctionnaires avait fait grimper les effectifs de +200.000 (sur un effectif total estimé de 760.000 agents en 2010), le gouvernement a refusé de réduire le nombre de postes hors plans de départs volontaires à la retraite (qui ont abouti in fine à renforcer les inégalités de revenus, puisque les nouveaux pensionnés sont partis avec des primes « notionnelles » de départ, majorant le service des retraites payées aux partants). (...)

3/ certains recours judiciaires intentés par les organisations syndicales de fonctionnaires contre les coupes salariales ont été accueillis et validés par les plus hautes instances judiciaires du pays. Ainsi s’agissant des magistrats, des policiers, des militaires et des agents des services de secours, le Conseil d’État grec a jugé qu’il s’agissait de fonctionnaires disposant d’une protection spéciale due à leurs obligations particulières de services publics. Les coupes salariales de 10% dont ils étaient frappés ont donc été annulées, avec effet rétroactif en janvier 2014, impliquant une obligation de remboursement évaluée entre 500 et 650 millions d’euros.

(...) Il apparaissait pourtant que les dépenses publiques étaient responsables à 77% de la dégradation de la situation budgétaire entre 2006 et 2009. Or les pouvoirs publics, de concert avec la task force des experts, ont décidé de porter l’effort d’ajustement [budgétaire] à 72,4% sur les recettes. Pourtant, les obstacles se sont révélés nombreux :

1/ certains groupes professionnels particulièrement bien organisés sont restés totalement exemptés de l’effort demandé aux autres branches (on pense notamment aux armateurs, mais les auteurs de l’étude pointent une autre catégorie professionnelle, les agriculteurs). (...) Ainsi, entre 2008 et 2012, les revenus agricoles constituent la seule catégorie de revenus qui s’accroisse en comptabilité nationale (+26,2%) ;

2/ la fraude fiscale reste massive et n’a que très marginalement été endiguée. Le cadastre officiellement en cours de déploiement depuis 2004, EKXA, dont le déploiement est financé par des fonds européens, reste encore inachevé. Un point d’étape réalisé par l’OCDE, pointe, que celui-ci n’est achevé qu’à hauteur de 40% en 2015. L’implémentation de la lutte efficace contre la fraude fiscale est donc une entreprise de très longue haleine en Grèce, ce qui a contribué au renchérissement du fardeau fiscal pour les contribuables taxables. (...)

3/ certaines professions réglementées ont su préserver leurs rentes, malgré la dérégulation impulsée par la Troïka du marché du travail (transport, activités d’ingénierie et professions juridiques, etc.). (...)

4/ les retraités s’en sortent également mieux que les autres, en dépit des coupes effectuées sur certaines pensions. Leurs revenus s’apprécient de 12,8% entre 2008 et 2012 (...)

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